Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. Perfect. Maybe this shortage will get more people into the handloading business. Theyre also legal everywhere, even states with the most draconian gun control. This is well within the expansion range of the slightly larger XTP. I have seen a gun blow up (not mine) and therefore I am very careful when I reload. Buy in stock Contender and Encore barrels for immediate shipment or have them custom build your barrel in 4-6 weeks! Regardless of the manufacturer, most reloading books recommend you do not load bullets lighter than 158 grains. I settled on Accurate 1680 propellant. The Carbine model features a 10-round tube and a 20-inch barrel. I would absolutely use it for home D without a second thought. .357 Remington Maximum beats many of the traditional factory loaded "deer cartridges" such as .30/30 Winchester and .35 Remington. Discuss. Somewhere around 7,500 guns were made. NEF 357 Mag camo syn stocks with camo Nikon scope H&R 490 Topper Jr 20 ga, barrel cut to 21.5" threaded to Rem Chokes. How do the modern .357 loads compare to the first repeaters? Ive never understood the fascination with Black Rifles. Save your brass and reload. I know both of these are on the cheap side but the fun my kids and I have when we bring this to the range is priceless. Who knew wild turkey's were so stupid!? Working range would be 50-70 yards. This content is accurate and true to the best of the authors knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional. The AR-15s in .223 are just glorified rabbit guns in my opinion. Blame it on the Covid 19 pandemic. John said that he quietly kept on shooting his Rugers in the controversial caliber. I have. $150 if you take the simple route leaving the Henry forend on, (This for the extra handling and care packaging to protect the wood finish.). The round barrel is just 17.4 inches, threaded for a suppressor and features a 1:16 rate of twist. I take the time to dial in bores, do all throating separately forthe best co-axial alignment of the throat with the bore, and cut a few tenths of a thousandth tighter throat. The Lil Gun and AA1680 are max loads from my searching tho I've seen several claim you can't get enough AA1680 in the case to overload it. Sorry, there are no results in your area. We will take a look back at a stock revolver and its misunderstood cartridge called the .357 Maximum.Originally conceived by the late Elgin Gates and called the .357 SuperMag, the new round was very straightforward. The large loop makes solid sense for colder climates like the plains states and Alaska. Item Number: 534259137. Welcome to the Leverguns.Com Forum. The .357 Magnum cartridge is based upon Smith & Wesson's earlier .38 Special cartridge. 357 Maximum, 44 mag, and 45 colt. I just picked up a Ruger #1 CHP 357mag that will be going to the gun smyth next week to have the chamber stretched to da Max. Even if production revolvers missed the test barrel velocities by 200 fps, they produced enough muzzle velocity to achieve good terminal performance from softpoints giving better penetration. Well I did some research and got the ballistics for commercial .357 Magnum ammunition fired from a rifle. I was surprised I didnt see any comments about the Henry Big Boy X. I bought this in a .357 mag at BassPro for $800 and it has the side gate for loading. .44-40. I have one with the turnstile safety. FILE PHOTO Check out our website and use our Facebook li Taylor's & Co 1892 Alaskan Black Takedown 16 inch .357Mag Lever Action. The 8 grains of unique seem like fairly hot loads out of the rifle. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:09 pm, Post And dont let anyone tell you that lever actions are slow. I sight in for 75 yards which lets me go out 125 yards with pretty much a dead on hold. Note: A complete article about the .357 Maximum can be found on the Handgun Cartridge . *We Never share your email without your permission. Paper patch an almost pure lead 380 to 400 gr bullet and it will do a number on an critter waaaaay out there even propelled with black powder but you have to know where your rifle shoots at what yardage. Probably because the articles title was the 5 best RIFLES, not handguns. If you don't there are some good old black powder era straight wall cases that you could utilize to make a real deer hunting longer range rifle. I always attempt to stay in the mid range of the reload manual. Show Only with Pictures Accurate Arms, Hercules, Hodgdon, Hornady, IMR, Lyman, Nosler, RCBS, Sierra and Speer. You have my (good natured) envy. by groschen1936 Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:49 pm, Post Jan 23, 2014. Less than 100 days away now. Maximum, call Kurt Bellm at 970 433 9525. I always liked the cowboy combo concept of carbine/sidearm same caliber and own lever actions in .44 mag. As a recap on hand loads, I would suggest that anyone wishing to hunt with the .357 rifle should . The most common include: There are other firearms chambered in the maximum, but their availability is limited and prices can be high. It didn't quite make it, but still knocked the steel rams down. I took photos and pointed out the issue but still didnt fix it. JerryB II Corinthians 3:17, Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. SAAMI maximum is 48,000, and in the closed breech guns pressures can be run at the same levels as 5.56 NATO, about 54,000 psi. They show up now and again and they are a really fine rifle. RETURN POLICY: Intrepid Shooting Sports will accept returns on firearms that arrive other than advertised in the listing. 38 Special full metal jacket round will hit with the force of 189 pounds of pressure per square foot at a . For the more meticulous shooters and those who like to experiment with the widest variety of bullet types. .358" jacketed, .357" jacketed, and cast lead bullets, just ask them to send the barrel to me to chamber for $105 post paid to you, billed separately by me. All you have to do is search the net for, I survived a center-mass shot from a .357 magnum to see all the supporting evidence you need. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:46 am, Post Comments like yours on why dont you just reload are what limits some of my shooting time on the metallic silhouette range as its full of old vietnam era (and older) shooters that whine more than a Karen in the wild if you dont pick up your brass with intent to reload. Gun Cleaning Equipment Bore Snakes Gun Cleaning Bore Guides Gun Cleaning Brushes . After the hunts are over is the best time to send barrels in for customizing! One say I will probably add a .357 in a carbine for all around utility in the 100 yards or less range. With higher-performance loads, the .357 carbine almost delivers real rifle ballistics. No one currently makes guns chambered in the cartridge.Looking back on the whole incident is very interesting, and there is much to be learned. Then ordered a new 1894 with Ballard rifling, checkering, and sling studs for 350. From reloading to bullet selection, reloading powder choice and factory ammunit. Not all rifles need to be used to kill commies. If theyll go ahead and put the new loading gate on it (which I expect they will before long) I think Id probably move it straight to the top of the list. Later, Dan Wesson Firearms made double-action revolvers, and Thompson/Center offered single-shot Contender pistol barrels. Have you actually tried looking for a .38/.357 lever gun? We call all major brands, calibers, and gauges of ammunition for your firearms. $1,050.00 (Save up to 21%) Price $825.00 H012MAW Henry Arms Henry Mares Leg Lever Rifle 357 Magnum 38 Special 5 RD 12.9" $1,133.00 (Save up to 10%) Price $1024.00 H006MML Henry Arms Cimarron 1873 Short Lever Action Rifle .357 Magnum $1,498.00 (Save up to 10%) Price $1355.00 CA271 That all depends on the powder youre burning. Its replete with a brass receiver, 20-inch octagonal barrel and buckhorn rear sight, so it has the classic look and feel, but also features a brass bead front sight and 10-round magazine tube. A T/C Contender G2 or Encore makes a lot more since. Extremely accurate, small groupsit reminds me why I got into shooting in the first place. If I absolutely had to ditch all my guns and go with a single handgun + single rifle, this would be my choice. I believe Ive had more fun with my .357 Maximum barrel than any other in my T/C stable with the possible exception of the .22 Hornet barrel. Our public range requires that spent brass be picked up. Reloading has nothing to do with it.. And, I AM a Vietnam in-country veteran, Gomer. 38 wad cutters and 357 mag, I have a 357 maximum but I dont reload can I buy a box. marcJ (author) from Mid-MO on July 21, 2015: After becoming accustomed to the cartridge and it's range of uses, I too couldn't believe it never caught on commercially. You do want to make sure your rounds are flatnose, hollowpoint or LeverEvolution in a tube magazine. Description. Both cartridges can be practical for hunting midsized, and some large game. by Hobie Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:55 pm, Post The Alaskan combines tradition wit NO Credit Card Fees Like the Other Guys!! He cleaned that up. Just my opinion, your mileage may vary. @ Ed Palumbo. I passed up a .357 94 trapper several years ago it was a few $ more than I had on me and I couldnt get the seller to budge. . I really like my lever guns, also have a early JM guide gun in 45-70 and also one in 450 Marlin. 008-E503829 | MTM. Curious that this article features only the most expensive versions of .357 carbines. Hard to beat real world experience which is mainly what this site consists of. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. If a Marlin 336 is a candidate for a successful rebarrel and chamber job in order to use 357 Maximum/Supermag cartridges. Its been gaining more momentum than originally expected. But WHATEVER YOU DO, dont use FMJ for self defense. SAAMI documents dated 2005 list it as inactive.. Cheap factory 158gr LRN is subsonic and stupid quiet for those that are complete hereticslike meand suppress their levers. The receiver was warped slightly outward, he pressed it back into line. Why does a levergun in .357 Magnum make more sense than one in .30-30 in those states? In 1983, the .357 Remington Maximum was released as a joint project between Ruger and Remington. H&R and Savage both chambered the .357 Maximum in single-shot rifles or combo guns. The 1873 Deluxe Sporting is that classic rifle, dressed to the nines with a color-case hardened finish and checkered pistol grip. Put the .357 Maximum in a rifle or a single-shot pistol, and you see a new picture of this cartridge. Being forced to use the Winchester Trapper, the horror. Remington introduced the .357 Maximum cartridge in 1983 to considerable fanfare from the shooting press. First and foremost is that all the straight-walled cartridges in this article max out at somewhat close range. All Types (1000+) At pressures in the 40,000-psi range, they helped avoid primer flowback that can tie up a break-action firearm. The fact is, .357 lever action rifles are proven game-getters, as they are well-suited to whitetail and hog hunting in thick timber at close (r) range, inside about 150 yards. It's my personal opinion that the flame cutting on the revolvers chambered in this cartridge gave it a bad rep. While Ive never loaded brass I have loaded shotshells on a card table in the living room with a mec 650. Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. This round is about the same thing as a 357 Max except for bore diameter. Savage made a small number of their model 24 Over/Under combination rifles with a .357 Rem. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. Not question those who do or did so, cause theres something special about shooting a lever action. Other brands and types of lead core handgun bullets tend to blow up and not penetrate into vital organs when driven at rifle velocities close in. But they do fit nicely behind a seat. ", Go toMatch Grade Machine or call them at 435 628 0071. I dont have a horse ..so the ring comes off. Send your barrel or barrel with forend attached for chamber work. Not even a Rossi(saw a trick shot dude on a video whos main gun was a Rossi). XTP bullet in a 357 mag. JM Browning did design a lot of the Winchester lever action rifles. Thirdly, in ordinary political/economic times .38 and .357 ammo is plentiful, ubiquitous, and affordable. You have entered an incorrect email address! Above: Image courtesy of Steinel Ammunition. Me personally I will gladly take an 1892 or 1894 in .357 instead of a black rifle.. I love Lever action rifles, and own Rossis, Savage 99s, Winchesters , ( 92 and 94s), Marlins, and Henrys, in 357 magnum and 44 Rem Mag. .357 Maximum when loaded down in a rifle length barrel is almost like shooting an air rifle. Because the title of the article is Five great not Five cheap.. [2] Shortly thereafter, Dan Wesson Firearms and Thompson/Center Arms introduced firearms in this cartridge. MGM's .357 Maximum chamber has an excellent .358" diameter cylindrical throat, stepped down to .357" far, far superior to factory forcing cone chambers, and very similar to my throating. Thats one reason my dad carried a semi-auto 12 Gauge for whitetails. It was stopped when Ruger or someone discovered flame cutting of the top strap above the barrel/cylinder gap. The 30A is a Marlin 336 for 70% off.). In a handgun .357 is the upper level of my comfort zone. With the added velocity and muzzle energy, along with the fact that JHP rounds are easily available from any gun store, whereas frangible or JHP rounds for an AR-pattern rifle are harder to source, it makes one of the best home defense long guns possible. Optimize the potentials of the .357 MAGnum by long rethroating the factory chamber. In those area, they cant legally own an AR, AK, etc. I bought a new carrier and internal parts and fitted them to feed a loaded 357 Maximum. Manufacturer Cimarron Firearms br brModel 1892 Lever Action Riflebr brSKU AS621br brCaliber .357 Magnumbr brCapacity 10 Roundsbr brBarrel Length  20 Oct CIM CA2903 CIM UBERTI 1894 RIFLE 38-55 26" Brand: CIMARRON FIREARMS CO Item Number: CIM CA2903 UPC: 814230101112 Cimarron Firearms, the leader in authentic replicas from America Glock #32 (357 Sig) -- #13 rounds magazine -- #3 Magazines and loader only! The 1892 was one of Winchesters rifles designed by John Browning. The last time I was at the range with my marlin in 45-70 all eyes were on meeveryone else shooting the newest AR/AK and here comes this doofus with a lever action thumper. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-marlin-1894c-357-magnum/, The review after Wild West Guns rescued it: That Blackhawk in .357 Maximum was a very short lived gun. Have you tried hand-loading and experimenting with overall length? Had a lousy day in the deer blind once, in my youth. . . It works out to about the same as a heavy loaded 38-55 in a Marlin 336. First off, a .357 lever is almost as much fun as you can have with your clothes on. Item Number: 534196137. Thats what the saddle ring designs were for. Browning should build a plant in Utah and make them there, as they own the rights to Winchester now. rounds much more than the .22s. Some hunters have decided to have single-shot rifles rechambered for the cartridge because it's very easy to handle when fired from a rifle. I can even hunt with both in some neighboring states, and do. I am sure I am not the only one that is open to it but finds that it is not possible right now. What would be the right bullet? If you're gonna be stupid ya gotta be tough-. If you compare a 16" 30-30 to a 16" .357 Mag, the difference is even smaller. There is a fine line between hobby & obsession! I was favorably impressed with the .357 Max and the spectrum of .357 bullets that would optimize its versatility. Great guns..would love to have a Winchester big loop trapper in 357..but i wish the Winchester came with sling studs like the Marlin. . Many people download it and get unburnt . This means that hunters are able to control the firearm much better, making more accurate and effective shots. Even swap. Both have threaded barrels to make them more relative and modern. The Henry Big Boy Classic is as close to the original lever gun as it gets without having to look for .44 rimfire. The Model X in .357 magnum is super compact with an overall length of just 36.3 inches. Go to the Contact page for shipping information: For Remington .357 Maximum brass and Thompson Center "G2" Contender .357 Magnum 12" barrels rechambered to .357 Rem. If a customer takes possession of the firearm, Intrepid considers this acceptance of the condition, and will not offer a return. There were some factory chambered in .357 Remington Maximum over 20 guage. As to market, a very subjective matter. Bottom line, if you get a Marlin lever gun that works and shoots good, and without a crossbolt safety, dont EVER sell it. I would think this problem could be cured by a visit to a dependable smith. Features a rugged, stainless steel bolt with 90 bolt throw and rapid lock time for added accuracy. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. by AJMD429 Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:57 pm, Post Its so ugly I love it. . or, H&R BARREL ONLY and $150 check or money order. The old Ford Pickup had that seatback that folded forward. Good thought though. Thats a LOL. If you have some, enjoy them. It was an 1895 GBL. Yes, they can, of course, be fired farther, but the design, mass and speed of the bullets are what really determine effective range. Its just not special enough to me for my wallet to cough up the bucks. It would not feed 38 Specials so I reinstalled the original parts and shoot the Maximums by loading them one at a time. I have shot a buddys 357, think it was Italian, a couple times as he is into Cowboy Action..not my thing but fun to watch! They both have Constitutional carry! Own Stock. Turned out to be a skunk right underneath my stand. Most of all it looks cool and reminds me of the good old days when guns were all made from steel and wood instead of plastic. They also make a valid home defense rifle AND a great truck gun, to keep the Karens and Kens from whining ASSAULT RIFLE. To reload the .357, a Lee Loader is all you need, plus a supply of primers, a pound of powder and bullets. Just, reading the article reminded me about it. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. It can shoot 38 special 357 magnum and 357 maximum. In the case of multiple buyers for one item, customers will be given 24 hours to complete a transaction, after which firearms will be made available to the next buyer. The .357 sounds like just the ticket for deer hunting in heavy brush where 70-80 yard shots are about the max you will find. While initially offered in .44-40, .32-20 and .38-40 (and discontinued for some time) a new version emerged in 2013 chambered for .357 Magnum/.38 Spl and a hammer block safety for safe carry. And you get a couple more rounds in the tube. And yes the price has been driven up on them, in the used market in the last 10, 15 years or so, especially the ones with no factory additional safetys, other than the half cock position of the hammers, such as the older Winchester and Marlin 94s. Available in different sizes and red dot ready, it'll fit your needs, whatever they are. The pre-lawyer Rossi 92s are nice guns. . Nothing slimmer or quicker to get into action. I shot 180 hardcast lead both from Buffalo Bore and HSM bear loads. I Wont be waiting on you to be relevantjust sayin. They were hell bent on making me reload. Give a Gift It's another special purpose cartridge that has an eerie resemblance to the Max. This fire also flowed upwards in such a way that it encountered the inside edge of the revolver topstrap. In addition to the rapid erosion of the barrel face adjacent to the cylinder, the topstrap was being grooved by a combination of hot gas and partially burned propellant granules. Couldnt seem to understand that I couldnt and didnt care to at this moment. The original factory loading was a relatively fragile 158-grain JHP similar to those Remington loaded in the .357 Magnum. I would think it would beat the .357 Maximum, honestly. Winchester just introduced the 350 Legend for all the people who are stuck using straight walled cartridges. Such a great gun I wish theyd never discontinued them. I'm chasing accuracy not top speed. I really do want a .357 levergunbut Im perfectly confident in my .30-30. I don't think it is possible due to OAL differences. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:25 pm, Post Included with the barrel is a stainless steel MGM scope base and stainless steel Burris Z Rings. Im still waiting for someone to make a 357 in. Not everything has to be tactically sound. And .45-70 would be awesome, too. Although a crimp is not required for a single-shot firearm, I crimp anyway. The late Bill Ruger got interested and set his people to work. Having fired several different types and CARRIED them in the Military, I much prefer the simple and traditional bolt-actions, levers and semi-autos that American hunters have carried for generations. Bare essentials. I know its not the answer you want, but it gets you to the same place. Every bullet tested shot very well, and we did not have any key-holing whatsoever on any of the projectiles. Such a longer cartridge is a pipe dream until someone steps up and makes a longer revolver cylinder. It could even work for breech-seating. Lite recoil and is deadly. .44 mag would batter my hands a bit too much these days. They only made these two years. The werent lever actions. . So there are several options available that are much less expensive than the fine examples listed in the article. .357 Remington Maximum is one potent game harvesting machine with more energy potential than factory .30/30 Winchester and .35 Remington, roughly equal to factory .300 Savage, and not far behind .308 Winchester energy levels, but with much less powder, less muzzle blast, and less recoil! The 92 is a round-barrel model, with the metal bits in blued steel and the furniture in black walnut. Since this is a single-shot firearm, there is no potential for flame cutting, and the true potential of this cartridge is realized. The 1892 is a top-ejecting model so scopes or rails are out, but the point of this gun is to be a fast-handling, medium-range rifle. Several years back I wanted a light weight all weather stainless steel single shot rifle chambered in 357 magnum, and the Rossi was the answer. So its a one-two-three punch. Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Flintlock Misc, Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Matchlock/Wheellock Misc, Century Arms International (CAI) - Rifles, Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Rifles (perc), Winchester Rifles - Modern Bolt/Auto/Single, Winchester Rifles - Pre-1899 Bolt/Single Shot, Century Arms International (CAI) - Pistols, Colt Automatic Pistols (.25, .32, & .380 cal), Colt Single Action Revolvers - Modern (22 Cal. This is especially true if you plan to hunt or compete in silhouette competitions as lighter bullets don't maintain enough energy at longer ranges. has the energy and accuracy needed for 200 meter silhouette shooting. 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